Resources Post Mortem

If you have a few minutes, check out the link below:

The_Sovereignty_of_God

The first sermon is John Piper’s personal story around Romans 9.

That's a decent place to start...

As for definitions (that can be discussed and agreed/disagreed with) –

- The Sovereignty of God is the biblical teaching that all things are under God's rule and control, and that nothing happens without His direction or permission. God works not just some things but all things according to the counsel of His own will (see Eph. 1:11). His purposes are all-inclusive and never thwarted (see Isa. 46:11); nothing takes Him by surprise. The sovereignty of God is not merely that God has the power and right to govern all things, but that He does so, always and without exception. In other words, God is not merely sovereign de jure (in principle), but sovereign de facto (in practice). (http://www.theopedia.com/Sovereignty_of_God)

- "What do we mean by [the sovereignty of God]? We mean the supremacy of God, the kingship of God, the god-hood of God. To say that God is Sovereign is to declare that God is God. To say that God is Sovereign is to declare that He is the Most High, doing according to His will in the army of Heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, so that none can stay His hand or say unto Him what doest Thou? (Dan. 4:35). To say that God is Sovereign is to declare that He is the Almighty, the Possessor of all power in Heaven and earth, so that none can defeat His counsels, thwart His purpose, or resist His will (Psa. 115:3). To say that God is Sovereign is to declare that He is "The Governor among the nations" (Psa. 22:28), setting up kingdoms, overthrowing empires, and determining the course of dynasties as pleaseth Him best. To say that God is Sovereign is to declare that He is the "Only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords" (1 Tim. 6:15). Such is the God of the Bible." (A. W. Pink, The Sovereignty of God, chap. 1)

Other resources –

Is God or Man Sovereign? (Real Audio, Windows Media), by R.C. Sproul

Reasonable Faith -Divine Sovereignty and Quantum Indeterminism

A Balanced response to an unbalanced question:

Does RZIM have a position on Calvinism or Arminianism?

Zacharias-God's Sovereignty and Man's Free Will.doc

Articles for Theology on Tap

If you have a few minutes, check out the link below:

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/topicindex/43_The_Sovereignty_of_God/

The first sermon is Pipers personal story around Romans 9.

That's a decent place to start...

Brew Two of THEOLOGY ON TAP

Announcing the SECOND brew of THEOLOGY ON TAP

Date: Thursday, June 10
Time: 730pm until we get sick of each other
Topic: The Sovereignty of God

Fellas,

The mob is crying for it so TOT: Part Deux has now providentially arrived.

I'll plan to supplement with a bit more of a narrative on the topic, if need be, but for now, the following should prime the pump: hurricanes and tsunamis; miscarriages and stillborns; Lucifer and Gabriel; the apple and the bite; the sinless one and the Cross.

Where is the sovereignty of God? What is the sovereignty of God? How far reaching is it? How particularized does it get?

Is every moment in every place for every person providentially ordained or is God generally sovereign but exempts or excepts certain details?

As always, further comments, insights, articles, musings, banterings, Dean yelps, etc. are welcome.

Hope everyone can make it. Hit me up with your availability for June 3rd. Assuming we can get a majority, brew two is on.

Peace,

Debating The Beginning

When I think about Creation and The Flood (literal or figurative?) of issues spring to mind:

1. The problem with the beginning of the universe is that no one was there, that is, no one except God.
2. Evolutionary Naturalists make claims based entirely on speculation upon speculation (there is no way to trace cause and effect to the beginning of time.)
3. Science and faith are not opposed to each other, however at the pinnacle of science the theologian is waiting. That is to say - all science can only grasp at higher truths that eventually lead to God Himself. At some point we must admit that creation ex nihilo means that only God can creation something out of nothing and all scientific explanations will only trace the Mona Lisa of God's masterpiece.
4. At some point one must consider what is the source of ultimate authority - general or special revelation? Does the Bible complement science (as one writer said) or does science confirm the Bible? As we've hinted at - we must analyze the Bible without discrediting it saying something akin to "God inspired Moses to write an account that has mislead people throughout history."
5. When I've listened to reasonable people, friends and family, make the case for a yom/day-age, figurative or mythical creation account in scripture in order to reconcile what can be considered conflict between geological records or the distant light rays traveling our universe and the idea of 24 literal hours of creation I find myself agreeing with them on the scientific front while withholding a final judgement because of the inherent supernatural premise of God's creation.
6. See points 1 & 3 - at some point I end up saying something like "could God create the universe in 6 literal days? sure. But did he? is another question, to which we won't have the answer until we see him face to face and then it won't matter much."

Topic: Creation - Literal or Figurative?

With spring in the air and the birth of TOT in our little theological incubator, it seems to make some sense to start "in the beginning." The topic of how we came to be is one that could surely fill volumes of TOT's collected anthologies, or at the very least, the first year of taps. Yet, beyond the topic itself, it readily tees up the issue of how we approach, interpret, encounter and consume the Word. We'll try to handle it in a couple hours. Think about this...

Is creation a literal 7 days? If so, is the rest of Genesis also literal with its dates? If yes to both of these, what are responses to the "science" and "anthropology" saying otherwise? Is there any room for evolution in a literal creation? Or, is creation in Genesis figurative? Are days not days as we understand them but expanses of time and the Genesis account provides the highlights? If so, were the gaps of time filled with some sort of evolution guided by God's hand, or was it evolution that God simply set in motion and is there any difference between those? Relatedly, do Genesis 1 and 2 tell the same story or different ones?

Fundamentally, how does your answer to the question -literal or figurative creation--affect Christianity as a whole? Can genuine followers of Christ be found in both camps? Beyond Genesis, does the Word offer any guidance on answering these questions definitively?

As stated in the promo email, there's no required reading, although Genesis 1 and 2 would probably be a good start with this topic. Ben, perhaps you could scrounge up a few articles to send around on this topic if you have the time and inclination, in order to help spur some thoughts before we meet? Or, if anyone happens upon something on point, feel free to send it around. Anything sent is by no means required and is specifically not intended to become the focal point of our discussion.

>>> All right. For those of you who are self-motivated learners, I have gotten some articles that you may want to peruse to stimulate your brains before the 23rd. In favor of a literal creation account, see: More Technical: http://www.dbts.edu/journals/2000/McCabe.pdf Less technical: http://www.willowparkchurch.com/mediafiles/library-days-of-creation.pdf and http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/bets/evolution_payne.pdf For a symbolic approach to the Creation account, see: http://www.ugst.org/uploaded/Symposium/2008/Papers/RecoveringACreationMythology_Remington.pdf For an approach that tries to sidestep the issue altogether (an approach I think needs to be considered), see the following: http://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/faraday/resources/Faraday%20Papers/Faraday%20Paper%2011%20Lucas_EN.pdf I apologize for the meager selection on the figurative account. There are plenty of blogs about the issue, but I wanted something more substantive, and this was all I could find. Have fun and enjoy the light reading. In his grace, Ben

>>> This document is an unfinished (doh!) explanation of a 4th view of the interpretation of Genesis. Hopefully from what is there you can see where the author is going. I'll continue to search for a more complete version.

http://www.rockrat.com/Gravity%20Sucks.pdf

- Andy